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24th-Apr-2007 11:15 am
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Brian and I are looking at moving away from the program we're using for creating the web content for the credit union. It's a package provided by a sanctioned credit union vendor that does the hosting and layout of our page, and allows me to change the content to a maximum of 50 pages. It's very limiting.

But...I'm not sure what I want to use. DreamWeaver and InDesign were suggested. Does anyone have anecdotes or opinions they'd be willing to share here?

24th-Apr-2007 12:29 pm (UTC)
I *really* like the templates that Dreamweaver lets you create. It took me a while to "get it," probably due to the fact that i'm a hobby web designer and not using it daily. once i got the templates and style sheets nailed down (and locked down), updating/changing the content was incredibly easy. it looks like if you enable all of the bells & whistles, you can have multiple users updating content w/o mucking up the layout, too.

i've heard good things about InDesign, too, but i haven't played with it much.

and don't shoot me, but Front Page has come a *long* way since it first came out in the 90s. it's still not my first choice, but it does the job.
24th-Apr-2007 12:48 pm (UTC)
Not gonna shoot you, but I'm looking for high end professional programs to use, and FrontPage will never have that standing.

I like Dreamweaver, but I've never tried any of the others. I just have to make sure that our web doesn't take a step back from what we have now.
24th-Apr-2007 12:41 pm (UTC)
It's all about knowing how to hand code. What editor you use isn't really important, except for perhaps some convenient bells & whistles. It might be nice to have tag completion, or to change the color of your code to highlight attributes, etc, but not necessary. You could conceivably do all your templating and what-have-you with even notepad.
24th-Apr-2007 12:49 pm (UTC)
There's a point in hand coding where it's nice to let the program do the simple stuff and let the designer be creative. notepad is fine, but I'd like something to make the process more productive.
24th-Apr-2007 12:54 pm (UTC)
I use Homesite at work. Not because I'm enamored with it, but because it saves me a little typing. I think I just as easily could have started using Dreamweaver or whatever if that's what was put in front of me.

I have heard that Dreamweaver has some sort of built in ability to work with versioning systems. Might be useful for you.
24th-Apr-2007 12:44 pm (UTC)
All the cool kids are using Ruby on Rails for web development these days, but I have no idea what kind of stuff you're working on or if that is even a legitimate suggestion for you. But it's really easy and can produce nice looking workable results quickly, if it fits into what you're doing.
24th-Apr-2007 12:53 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, I need a commercial app for this. It does look pretty sweet.
24th-Apr-2007 01:17 pm (UTC)
I'm a fan of Dreamweaver + hand coding. Dreamweaver puts far less crap in automatically than InDesign. The sites I get from InDesign users are pretty terrible as far as extra stuff tucked in all sorts of assways folders that don't need to exist. I think DW is by far the lesser of the evils.
24th-Apr-2007 02:40 pm (UTC)
Sweet. That sounds like the route for me. I loathe cleaning up crap left by poorly behaved tools.
24th-Apr-2007 05:33 pm (UTC)
I think I meant to say GoLive...same shit though...
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24th-Apr-2007 04:51 pm (UTC)
My most Precious darling. We are solidly staying put. And I promise, there will never be a big announcement you hear here first. That's just unforgivable. I will always tell you the big stuff in person. As for now...there are NO, NONE, NADA big things to tell you. Promise. Nope, none on the horizon either. None. Breathe?
24th-Apr-2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
I'll throw down one for DreamWeaver.

Yes, hand coding is great. Being able to quickly integrate code to connect to database tables is priceless. The templates are good (and using your custom templates with editable areaas) are a godsend.

The old iteration of the temple website was initially done in dreamweaver. It's fallen under disrepair and hand editing since then but here's the (obvious) template version: http://www.zenbuddhisttemple.org

24th-Apr-2007 06:12 pm (UTC)
Just came back from NAB & I wholeheartedly recommend both - buy the new CS3 package (or get the boss to buy it - it's a bit pricy).
Total integration between all Adobe creative apps & the (former) Macromedia apps. I've never used InDesign for Web pages, only poster-ish stuff, but I've been a Dreamweaver fan since v.2 lured me away from hand coding. And the Adobe people promise real WYSIWYG* this time around.
*I don't believe it for a minute, but I'd like to.
24th-Apr-2007 09:30 pm (UTC)
I always thought InDesign was geared more for general graphic design, not web design. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I like Dreamweaver. I'm one version behind right now, but I think it will do what I need to do with the website. Before I get refreshed on this "new" (to me) version, I am trying to get a handle on php/mySQL. I'm forcing myself to get through that before I get to all the "fun" reference books currently on my desk.

I know you said Frontpage is not being considered - and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. The site I'm maintaining now was created in that and it's god awful. I don't think they even make it anymore.

It's such an overwhelming process trying to get up to speed with things now. I mainly handcoded and used Dreamweaver before. Now I have to look into Ruby and Ajax and all this other 2.0 crap and figure out what is the best solution for my organization. I don't even know where to begin!
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